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Vogue recently featured Mrs. Obama on its cover. Michelle Obama in particular has ushered in new era of style and entertaining.Egy Azzierahttp://www.asiarooms.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-27592795116881347592009-04-17T21:14:00.000+01:002009-04-17T21:14:00.000+01:00Do you really think the conventions associated wit...<I>Do you really think the conventions associated with sex (and even the ways sex is usually enacted) have no role to play in confirming/reinforcing power relations between men and women?</I>Whether I do or do not is an irrelevance, since that isn't what Dworkin's argues. She argues that it is an <I>expression</I> of <I>contempt.</I> Not a tool of dominance.<br /><br /><I>That's not to say that individual men and women can't make a conscious attempt to subvert and challenge those dynamics, but let's be realistic - most don't, and I believe all attempts are doomed to failure (though better to try than not bother).</I>Wow, bad luck mate.Jameshttp://scriboergosum.org.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-49100942511697888622009-04-14T16:01:00.000+01:002009-04-14T16:01:00.000+01:00Well, timf, I think that when a human being accuse...Well, timf, I think that when a human being accuses fifty percent of the human race - i.e., the 3,000,000,000 male souls or so which exist on surface of this planet - of loving and celebrating murder, violence, rape as well as committing or fantasising about these crimes habitually in daily life - well, I would consider a person espousing such toxic, insane and untruthful views to be completely and utterly deranged. <br /><br />Christ was a man: <br />Buddha was a man: <br />Gandhi was a man.<br /><br />Dworkin was a sad, bitter, twisted madwoman. <br /><br />And that is the truth.<br /><br />Look for the light in yourself and in other men who cross your path, my friend, and be more critical of those whom you judge champions of worthy causes you believe in. I wish you well.Atilla the Honeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-26575850110437013632009-04-14T13:21:00.000+01:002009-04-14T13:21:00.000+01:00Ah, the old chestnut "if you replace feminist anal...Ah, the old chestnut "if you replace feminist analysis with a racial slur it becomes racist, ergo it's all sexist".<br /><br />Not sure I can even be arsed to reply to that one. But I do like how because I happen to agree with someone, suddenly I'm "self-styled". I don't think I've ever been accused of having "style" before, so I'll take it as a compliment.tim fhttp://provisional.bbc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-24947160197065520772009-04-14T11:34:00.000+01:002009-04-14T11:34:00.000+01:00Don't worry dear, you look plug ugly to me. Happy ...Don't worry dear, you look plug ugly to me. Happy to help!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-35032431669506485342009-04-14T08:18:00.000+01:002009-04-14T08:18:00.000+01:00"...O-Ren Ishii, like Joss Whedon's Faith, like Ca...<I>"...O-Ren Ishii, like Joss Whedon's Faith, like Catherine Tramell...</I>Huh! Weren't these fictional women respectively a paid assassin, psychopathic super-slayer who plotted to bring about the end of the world and a serial killer guilty of sexual murder and the murder of her own parents? I think these characters came to sticky ends (bar Catherine Tramell, who ended up with Michael Douglas, a fate worse than death in my opinion) because the dramatic presentations they were portrayed in were trying to make the hackneyed moral point that villains always get their come-uppance. You inclusion of these fictional characters in the context of what you wrote seem, well, a little nuts to me I have to say.<br /><br /><I>"We're supposed to be beautiful, and good, and helpful, and selfless, and loving. We're allowed to express devotion, and fear, and exhaustion, and hurt, and love, and even desire, as long as it's desire for cock and lipstick and shiny things, and not contraception, equal pay or social justice."</I>Huh? Where did you get this idea? This ranting nonsense is unworthy of sensible consideration by anyone with any shred of self-determination whatsoever. Pull your socks up and try to do better than this. And at least try to be honest.<br /><br />Your posts lately have been very obstreperous and polemical. I think it would be best for all concerned if you refrained from writing when on the rag. I include this latter bit of sexism to give you a genuine reason to dislike me rather than the fact that I was born male, a situation outside of my control. I blame my parents.Hermes Trismigestusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-27614701725612078622009-04-13T18:10:00.000+01:002009-04-13T18:10:00.000+01:00@ timfWell, at least you gave me a good laugh!You ...@ timf<BR/><BR/>Well, at least you gave me a good laugh!<BR/><BR/>You are clearly a self-styled apologist for Dworkinsian lunacy. I am absolutely sure that if Dworkin had written <I>"All men should be castrated without anesthetic!"</I> you would excuse her by saying something like <I>"Well, she wasn't talking about physical castration but indicating that men should face up to their faults, sexism and sexual foibles."</I> <BR/><BR/>I feel I have the right to put words into your mouth in the same way that you attribute actions to me without cause or justification, viz.,<BR/><BR/><I>If I was a woman you'd assume I was saying these things because I was too ugly to get a man and/or a lesbian. At least be consistent and say I'm probably gay and/or have a face like Rooney & a body like Mr Muscle.</I><BR/><BR/>What point would there be in me making an aside comparing your own sexual life with the latter Dworkin quote if you were sexually inactive or exclusively homosexual? <BR/><BR/>Suppose we replace the words "man" with "Negro" and "men" with "Negroes" in any Dworkin opus. Would that be acceptable? Wouldn't she have been accused of being racialist under these circumstances? I say Dworkin was an insane misanthropic man-hating sexist who made no worthwhile cultural, political or feminist contribution in any of her fifty seven years on this planet.<BR/><BR/>I personally KNOW that Dworkin is wrong because her description of men is completely and utterly alien to me. There is not one woman (or man) that has had any kind of association with me, erotic or platonic, who would agree that I fitted Dworkin's template in the least part. Intercourse to me is not the pure, sterile, formal expression of my contempt for women, but my wish to give them as much pleasure as I am capable of giving and taking as much pleasure from them as they are willing to give me. There is no contempt or cruelty involved. Not ever. Not once. Only fun, recreation, affection and sometimes even love.<BR/><BR/>The more I think about it the sadder I fell for Andrea Dworkin. So bent out of shape; so riddled with anger and despite. Such a pity that anyone should pass their life so troubled and in such pain and anguish.Atilla the Honeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-65213004783136268222009-04-13T17:15:00.000+01:002009-04-13T17:15:00.000+01:00"assuming that you're sexually active and..."assuming that you're sexually active and not gay"<BR/><BR/>Why make these assumptions? If I was a woman you'd assume I was saying these things because I was too ugly to get a man and/or a lesbian. At least be consistent and say I'm probably gay and/or have a face like Rooney & a body like Mr Muscle.tim fhttp://provisional.bbc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-78751426113389692782009-04-13T16:08:00.000+01:002009-04-13T16:08:00.000+01:00Truth comes in different forms. The statements of ...Truth comes in different forms. The statements of Dworkin's you quote do contain truth, even if they aren't the whole truth and even if her tone winds some men up who aren't patient enough to consider the value of her writing.<BR/><BR/>Do you really think the conventions associated with sex (and even the ways sex is usually enacted) have no role to play in confirming/reinforcing power relations between men and women? That's not to say that individual men and women can't make a conscious attempt to subvert and challenge those dynamics, but let's be realistic - most don't, and I believe all attempts are doomed to failure (though better to try than not bother).<BR/><BR/>And yes, I think the way men are socialised encourages us to be destructive. That includes self-destruction as well as dehumanising women we have relationships with. I wouldn't personally use the word "murder", but it's a useful word for Dworkin to communicate her meaning.tim fhttp://provisional.bbc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-78957301316235556722009-04-13T12:13:00.000+01:002009-04-13T12:13:00.000+01:00The truth of the matter is that Andrea Dworkin was...The truth of the matter is that Andrea Dworkin was a perverse and insane misanthrope who found a bandwagon to jump on, shout and make a living out of exhibiting her own aggressive delusions and complex psychopathology.<BR/><BR/><I>"In everything men make, they hollow out a central place for death, let its rancid smell contaminate every dimension of whatever still survives. Men especially love murder. In art they celebrate it, and in life they commit it. They embrace murder as if life without it would be devoid of passion, meaning, and action, as if murder were solace, still their sobs as they mourn the emptiness and alienation of their lives."</I><BR/><BR/>Andrea Dworkin, Letters From a War Zone, p 214.<BR/><BR/>Is that true about you, timf! Are you obsessed with and in love with murder? God! What a creepy little creature you are to be sure! Obviously a serial killer in the making.<BR/><BR/><I>"Intercourse is the pure, sterile, formal expression of men's contempt for women"</I><BR/><BR/>Andrea Dworkin (1987)<BR/><BR/>Huh? I don't know about you, timf, but I love sex and women. So, assuming that you're sexually active and not gay, every time you have intercourse with and hopefully bring your partner to fruition, don't you think it's wrong to express your contempt for her in so obvious and physical a manner? I think you ought to stop disrespecting the opposite sex by becoming celibate herewith!<BR/><BR/>Dworkin was a basket case.<BR/><BR/>May she Rest In Pieces.Atilla the Honeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-75421595988798613362009-04-13T11:26:00.000+01:002009-04-13T11:26:00.000+01:00Thanks Anonymous. You're right. Dworkin died in 20...Thanks Anonymous. You're right. Dworkin died in 2005. I didn't know that Dworkin had shuffled off this mortal coil but then, to my way of thinking, she had never been fully alive. Her change of state was consequently not that obvious to me personally. Odd. I can't recall seeing a single obituary for Dworkin published in any British newspaper.<BR/><BR/>Anyone ever read her loathsome "Intercourse"? <BR/><BR/>Come on! The woman was a sexist wingnut! Surely authors claiming to be writing non-fiction should be able to profess some knowledge as per the subjects that they're writing about? What did Dworkin know about heterosexual love or sex first hand? In ten or fifteen years her books will be forgotten and no one will remember that she ever wielded her untruthful, poisonous and malicious pen. What a dreadful old trout poor Dworkin was in life and yet I am genuinely sorry that she, through no fault of her own, was denied the opportunity to live a happy and fulfilling human life and to know what it is to love and be loved.Gengisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-83650780638951502062009-04-12T14:13:00.000+01:002009-04-12T14:13:00.000+01:00Abigail; if that's true, I'm glad she didn't look ...Abigail; if that's true, I'm glad she didn't look like Shania Twain. Not that I've got anything against Shania Twain (other than her music being shit), but I think the world has benefited substantially more from Andrea Dworkin's insights than Shania Twain's.tim fhttp://provisional.bbc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-90916103808339934912009-04-12T01:45:00.000+01:002009-04-12T01:45:00.000+01:00Dworkin's dead, you fuckers.Dworkin's dead, you fuckers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-24898067045086510962009-04-10T21:58:00.000+01:002009-04-10T21:58:00.000+01:00While I think Gengis goes too far in his sexist re...While I think Gengis goes too far in his sexist remarks I do think that behind the bluster he isn't completely wrong.<BR/><BR/>Would Andrea Dworkin really be the person she is and say the things that she says if she had been born beautiful rather than ugly? The way we look profoundly affects the kind of people we are, are able to become and what chips we carry on our shoulders. If Andrea looked more like Shania Twain than Mark Twain, does anyone really believe she would have evolved/devolved into the person she is now?<BR/><BR/>Personally, I don't think so.Abigail Cablenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-90771832692084211192009-04-10T19:48:00.000+01:002009-04-10T19:48:00.000+01:00Always pleased to help a lady... hmm... err... scr...Always pleased to help a lady... hmm... err... scratch that! Always pleased to help, Ms. Red.<BR/><BR/>(If nothing else at least be honest enough to admit that you wouldn't actually be prepared to give Dworkin a sympathy fuck either!)Gengisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-59996087408412339442009-04-10T19:24:00.000+01:002009-04-10T19:24:00.000+01:00I think Gengis proves my point quite nicely.I think Gengis proves my point quite nicely.Penny Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677315565893516941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-39865005209957817342009-04-10T19:21:00.000+01:002009-04-10T19:21:00.000+01:00@ directionlessbonesThe only reason Andrea Dworkin...@ directionlessbones<BR/><BR/>The only reason Andrea Dworkin says the stuff she says is because she is stomach-churningly ugly. Everybody knows when Dworkin has entered a room because the mice immediately start throwing themselves on the traps! Dworkin reminds me of some talentless non-entity stating that they're poor and unknown because they made a conscious decision not to be rich and famous - as if these latter possibilities were ever on the cards. <BR/><BR/>Andrea could more profitably employed by Scotland's tourist industry to swim up and down Loch Ness to lure in hordes of sasenach visitors hoping to see the monster. <BR/><BR/>And they wouldn't be disappointed! <BR/><BR/>God! What a sight!Gengisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-56816456998133221112009-04-09T16:28:00.000+01:002009-04-09T16:28:00.000+01:00I read this and I thought of Andrea Dworkin: "What...I read this and I thought of Andrea Dworkin: "What I would like to do is to scream: and in that scream I would have the screams of the raped, and the sobs of the battered; and even worse, in the center of that scream I would have the deafening sound of women's silence"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-86457583872975186752009-04-09T14:24:00.000+01:002009-04-09T14:24:00.000+01:00Hm...As far as I'm aware none of the world leaders...Hm...<BR/><BR/>As far as I'm aware none of the world leaders stormed around raging and waving a fist. Even Sarkozy and Berlusconi played it pretty cool. I don't think that the media would have been particularly impressed by people of <I>either</I> gender raging, and aren't you <I>completely</I> forgetting that Germany's premier is a female? And she formed a faction with Sarko that had the whole gathering by the balls, didn't she? That's a woman in power, is it not?<BR/><BR/>Additionally: Michelle Obama is an intellectual woman who can give one mean speech. This may be something which had her negatively typecast as an "Angry black radical woman" by certain elements in the American right media, but as far as I can tell she's popular with the population as a whole. Here's a speech of hers:<BR/><BR/>http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/12/im-so-tired-of.html<BR/><BR/>She even seems (dare I say it) pretty damn angry, right?<BR/><BR/>And why <I>wouldn't</I> there be more attention paid to a business suit than to a dress? A dress allows for <I>far</I> more variety, so there's plenty more to comment on. Suits are only very rarely remarkable, the last one I can remember being worth commenting on was Arnie's at the 2004 Republican Convention when he wore a get-up costing multiple thousands which displayed that he truly had still-got-it. It was duly commented upon by the Time journalist in the crowd.<BR/><BR/>& finally: "Women aren’t important anymore – men, and the decisions they make, and the violence they may or may not commit, are important. The death of Ian Tomlinson, possibly at police hands, is importa" It was a woman who decided to club Tomlinson in the back of the knee, wasn't it?Jameshttp://scriboergosum.org.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-71882378253918049632009-04-08T19:19:00.001+01:002009-04-08T19:19:00.001+01:00Excellent stuff.Excellent stuff.Seaneenhttp://thesecretlifeofamanicdepressive.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-83666983738465981082009-04-08T19:19:00.000+01:002009-04-08T19:19:00.000+01:00Who cares what a woman looks like when she's horiz...Who cares what a woman looks like when she's horizontal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-5884567218920124372009-04-08T15:12:00.000+01:002009-04-08T15:12:00.000+01:00@David IMO yes@David <BR/><BR/>IMO yesBrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567321951314582834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-23380132331807206122009-04-08T14:23:00.000+01:002009-04-08T14:23:00.000+01:00Penny -- you live in an interesting world. Most of...Penny -- you live in an interesting world. Most of the women I know and hang out with do anger, rage, bile, etc, etc, very well.<BR/><BR/>Also you shouldn't underplay the importance of looks to men in the workplace either. It may not be as obvious but men are judged a hell of a lot on how they dress and what they look like.<BR/><BR/>If you're good looking you should just view it as a bonus not some sort of mill stone.RobWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02255978974948870928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-8089294776667566052009-04-08T14:08:00.000+01:002009-04-08T14:08:00.000+01:00If you haven't got a vagina Anonymous... fuggetabo...If you haven't got a vagina Anonymous... fuggetaboutit!Sapphonoreply@blogger.com