tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post2975058791509148723..comments2024-03-28T11:31:11.928+00:00Comments on Penny Red: They have no compunction.Penny Redhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07677315565893516941noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-82496086249067119952008-09-22T05:45:00.000+01:002008-09-22T05:45:00.000+01:00Not really.While the original post mentioned the w...Not really.<BR/>While the original post mentioned the word xenophobia, it failed to mention how we should deal with it. <BR/>Its not as if people make a concious choice to be xenophobic (is it even possible to have a society without outsiders?) and we have plenty of evidence from history of the bloody violence it can cause.<BR/>And uh... James... while the point about all of us coming from all over might discredit racists and racism (racism is utter tripe), I feel that to use those examples to support immigration indicates a deliberate misinterpretation of history.<BR/>Why not cite European migration to America or Australia as well... did they add to the vibrancy of their regions? They certainly kept the original inhabitants humble... I'll give her that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-82836356175354508572008-09-20T17:38:00.000+01:002008-09-20T17:38:00.000+01:00Once again, Mark, every point you raise has alread...Once again, Mark, every point you raise has already been addressed in comments, or the original post -- save your final point, a deliberately irrelevant misinterpretation.<BR/><BR/>If you have nothing to say, then say nothing..https://www.blogger.com/profile/16012963793093361421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-11484548974910949642008-09-15T05:01:00.000+01:002008-09-15T05:01:00.000+01:00"I'm well educated and speak like the BBC when my ..."I'm well educated and speak like the BBC when my mother is foreign and my father's family are, like yours, from eastern Europe. So I'm as foreign as can be, but being essentially white makes this all ok."<BR/><BR/>Isn't that rather the point? Theres no problem with immigration as long as a) the immigrants integrate into society or b) there arn't many of them.<BR/>Unfortunately there is a danger in having sizeable, distinct social groups living in close proximity to each other.<BR/>I don't know about the rest of you, but most of the people I know aren't too keen on this kind of mass immigration. <BR/><BR/>By the way, from the historical list of immigrant groups to Britain, at least the first 6 were achieved through massive violence. Perhaps not the best example to support immigration...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-9095499560626518412008-09-14T23:29:00.000+01:002008-09-14T23:29:00.000+01:00Few things here I disagree with, but not the spiri...Few things here I disagree with, but not the spirit of the blog on the whole. <BR/><BR/>Only one factual error. Your citation of the population of Birmingham is over double the actual number. Yours is the population of the West Midlands as a whole. Birmingham itself had, at the 2001 census, a population of 1,006,500.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-60553957055464838412008-09-14T15:18:00.000+01:002008-09-14T15:18:00.000+01:00I see. Fighting fascism by burning alive old, whit...I see. Fighting fascism by burning alive old, white, English Labour Party members. It's certainly innovative.<BR/><BR/>But hey, they were provoked, right ?Labanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-35503731971227760652008-09-12T12:38:00.000+01:002008-09-12T12:38:00.000+01:00How about the causality of fascists deliberately t...How about the causality of fascists deliberately trying to provoke the children of migrants with a lengthy campaign of abuse in order to get the headlines they wanted about social unrest?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-45297828417803377772008-09-12T00:24:00.000+01:002008-09-12T00:24:00.000+01:00"the Bradford riots are cited without detailing an..."the Bradford riots are cited without detailing any causal relationship between immigration and social unrest"<BR/><BR/>Be fair. A highlight, if I can call it that, of the Bradford riots was the attempt by a crowd of 600-odd people, the children or grandchildren of immigrants who'd arrived in the last 40 years, to incinerate alive 22 elderly members of Manningham Labour Club, just a few hundred yards from where the Labour Party's predecessor, the ILP, was founded. They surrounded the building, set it ablaze with petrol bombs and blocked all the exits with burning cars. Riot police and the fire brigade got them out just before the building collapsed.<BR/><BR/>How much causality do you want ?Labanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-18589784752167027692008-09-11T15:08:00.000+01:002008-09-11T15:08:00.000+01:00Superb post. Immigration is one of the two issues ...Superb post. Immigration is one of the two issues which drives me politically (the other being civil liberties) and you make all the good arguments. Its sickening that I'm considered a positive thing for this country because I'm well educated and speak like the BBC when my mother is foreign and my father's family are, like yours, from eastern Europe. So I'm as foreign as can be, but being essentially white makes this all ok.<BR/><BR/>There is a reason that Field and Soames can get away with this intellectually bankrupt rubbish. It is what a lot of people think. They are, to some extent, representing the views of a reasonable proportion of the population, who are fine with Aussies but don't want any North Africans and who do want to become immigrants themselves (oh the irony) to leave the non-whites behind. The consistent liberals or leftists haven't worked out whether to take their opinions as legitimate (because there are so many of them) or to write it off as the rubbish that it is.<BR/><BR/>Do we say, your anti-immigration stance is just latent racism mixed with legitimate concerns (increase in drink driving etc) or do we accept that social cohesion, as they view it, is important and we have to strike a balance? No one has yet answered this question.James Schneiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00418770297192706019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-57807016683375550592008-09-11T14:09:00.000+01:002008-09-11T14:09:00.000+01:00Call me a pedant but the city of Birmingham proper...Call me a pedant but the city of Birmingham proper (as opposed to the metro area) has a population of almost exactly 1 million<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Birmingham#Population<BR/><BR/>So technically they're right about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-78770719936610048842008-09-10T15:43:00.000+01:002008-09-10T15:43:00.000+01:00This kind of coverage is one of the key reasons th...This kind of coverage is one of the key reasons that our political system is perceived to be "two-party", and is one of the things that really gets my goat about our press.<BR/><BR/>I want - I would <I>love</I> - a three (or more!) party system, because this straight Tory vs Labour antagonism is a destructive mess.<BR/><BR/>So much of this recent swing seems to be <I>away</I> from Labour, not <I>towards</I> the Tories - why not swing towards the Lib Dems instead? Especially for those who are turning anti-Labour because of civil liberties infringements!anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02286586307029475845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-39162916511922549932008-09-10T00:12:00.000+01:002008-09-10T00:12:00.000+01:00"Immigration is what Britain is all about: since r..."<I>Immigration is what Britain is all about: since records began it’s been the waves of...</I>"<BR/><BR/>Precisely. Given as the bits of me I can trace have been here since way before any records began (ancient Dumnonian for a large part) it really annoys me when idiots start spoting off about this being an 'anglo-saxon' country. Bloody latecoming immigrants trying to bolt the doors.<BR/><BR/>It had bothered me out and about today when I heard headlines like 'cross-party', I was worried one of the Usual Suspects had signed up for the stupidity, knowing that none did and it's just Fatty and The Loon is reassuring and saves me hassle next week.MatGBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821264556751176639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-77771845144688073982008-09-09T23:21:00.000+01:002008-09-09T23:21:00.000+01:00* prods proper paragraph breaks in *There we go. N...* prods proper paragraph breaks in *<BR/><BR/>There we go. NOW it's the perfect blog post.<BR/><BR/>;)Jennie Rigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14893281560181289667noreply@blogger.com