tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post4247133508406168314..comments2024-03-28T11:31:11.928+00:00Comments on Penny Red: More on those stupid white men.Penny Redhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07677315565893516941noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-32877592053454785552022-08-19T11:43:56.563+01:002022-08-19T11:43:56.563+01:00q3t42j8a10 p9y02a7d94 x9k41z1c49 y9y89j2a07 u7... <a href="https://nathyn13138.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"><strong>q3t42j8a10</strong></a> p9y02a7d94 <a href="https://ditoast82652.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"><strong>x9k41z1c49</strong></a> y9y89j2a07 <a href="https://mcthisee73386.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"><strong>u7o92h7f76</strong></a> o9c30s5r33teaseyezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16772005686902647405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-39390249138639602612013-07-12T21:02:42.731+01:002013-07-12T21:02:42.731+01:00Global Türkey Sohbets : sohbet & sohbet odalar...Global Türkey Sohbets : <a href="http://www.agirsohbet.com" rel="nofollow">sohbet</a> & <a href="http://www.agirsohbet.com" rel="nofollow">sohbet odaları</a> & <a href="http://www.dinichat.com" rel="nofollow">dini sohbet</a> & <a href="http://www.dinichat.com" rel="nofollow">dini chat</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17602389412661617707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-65331093692319755532009-11-16T06:47:38.864+00:002009-11-16T06:47:38.864+00:00Wow! An article by a feminist woman who is tired o...Wow! An article by a feminist woman who is tired of white heterosexual men generalizing against minority groups yet manages to generalized against the whole group of white heterosexual men herself. Now THAT's the pot calling the kettle black! Fucking self-righteous feminist bigot!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-34665092575327303092009-10-22T02:37:49.761+01:002009-10-22T02:37:49.761+01:00Well Penny, I guess you and every other woman on t...Well Penny, I guess you and every other woman on this planet would be happy if we men just committed suicide. We men are all stupid and evil, and we should just hate ourselves and kill ourselves, is what I guess you're saying. God knows every last woman on earth would be happy if all of us men were dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-59680394565127653242009-10-22T02:26:51.778+01:002009-10-22T02:26:51.778+01:00Okay fine!!! How about all of us men just commit...Okay fine!!! How about all of us men just commit suicide and leave you everything!! Would that make you happy? I guess you think the whole world would be better off without us. We can go knowing we're stupid and ignorant and evil and ugly. Guess you'll all feel great when all of us men are dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-32660601520129974302009-10-19T09:04:02.718+01:002009-10-19T09:04:02.718+01:00John @ 12 August 2009 23:40
I totally agree with...John @ 12 August 2009 23:40<br /> <br />I totally agree with your sentiments.<br /><br />I am a White woman who feels horrified at the way the White heterosexual males (alive or dead) have been usurped and disparaged by these privileged and self righteous Liberal-Marxist Femi-Nazis.<br />Their aim, unwittingly or not, is to destroy our cultural heritage.<br />At the onset of the Feminist movement, I thought the demands for equal pay for equal work were entirely justifiable. But things have not stopped there have they?<br />Take Yasmin Alibhai-Brown's stupid and exceedingly arrogant outburst as just one small example:-<br /> During the 4th of June, 2006, edition of Dateline London, Gavin Essler posed this question:<br />"What's wrong with white guys, by the way?"<br />To which Alibhai-Brown replied:<br /><br />"I don't like them. I want them to be the lost species in 100 years".Red Squirrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11516431650014339333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-10454567079494298942009-09-13T23:11:45.752+01:002009-09-13T23:11:45.752+01:00I wrote a similar post (in that it addresses white...I wrote a similar post (in that it addresses white-heteronormativity) a week ago and my host suggested your post (which i note is from a few months back) ... it's insightful and comprehensive. I read Rowenna Davis' article too because of yours ... thank you.<br /><br />If you'd like the link: http://yesyesnomaybe.blat.co.za/2009/09/08/gender-inequality/ ...Tessa Kerrich - Walkerhttp://yesyesnomaybeblat.co.za/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-65969659734976614602009-08-12T23:40:56.705+01:002009-08-12T23:40:56.705+01:00There is no end to the rage and bitterness and big...There is no end to the rage and bitterness and bigotry expressed in the world of political correctness.<br /><br />The idea that white man are evil provides a convenient hate figure for those on the who MUST have someone to despise. However, bigotry is still bigotry - no matter who is doing it. This rant is merely an example of the utter moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the radical left.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-37382166543927284692009-08-12T21:56:06.813+01:002009-08-12T21:56:06.813+01:00Timothy - well said mate.
To the one who questione...Timothy - well said mate.<br />To the one who questioned whether the BNP are left wing? Of course they are, being opposed to the free market and in favour of state control.Tim Johnstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02470464053181422637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-21334058450494243352009-08-10T17:24:46.906+01:002009-08-10T17:24:46.906+01:00I suppose there is a specific type of white straig...I suppose there is a specific type of white straight man who gets everything on a plate when they have not even worked hard at school or work. I do not get that treatment. If you are shy, quiet have aspergers syndrome, are disabled, working class, have mental illness issues etc: then you have similar issues to minority groups. <br />Harman does seem to want to help white working class men as a minority group, too, so she is obviously not against working class white men.kensington and chelseahttp://kensingtonandchelsea.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-44485381419412502702009-07-04T07:36:44.313+01:002009-07-04T07:36:44.313+01:00^ I think you just killed the thread.^ I think you just killed the thread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-69394291442133661912009-06-27T15:19:06.128+01:002009-06-27T15:19:06.128+01:00White men are stupid and inherently racist- nazi p...White men are stupid and inherently racist- nazi pigs!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-60643276207317657322009-06-21T17:47:04.680+01:002009-06-21T17:47:04.680+01:00To elaborate: my problem with the term is that it ...To elaborate: my problem with the term is that it attempts to create some objective standard which you can't disagree with. <br /><br />It also spirals very rapidly into absurdity: South East Asian origin Britons have a 50% chance of suffering from premature death from cardiovascular sources. Are we to proclaim our Non-South East Asian Privilege has saved us from heart related death? Jews are heavily over-represented at Oxbridge, so should our author (who is a former Oxfordian as well as a Jew) give thanks to her Jew Privilege?<br /><br />& no, you <i>can't</i> just point out bigotry & banish such a notion. According to my union (the useless NUS) I, as a bisexual, am in need of "Liberation". My own view is that if I had had the option of selecting my orientation then this is probably the one which I would have gone for. I haven't encountered much homophobia, & it is of superior convenience. I would claim that there is in fact a Bisexual Privilege.<br /><br />Alternatively, though, we could just ditch this ID politics nonsense & adopt an approach which emphasises the absence of <i>innate</i> differences, instead of pouring endless over those that presently exist. If you don't think that the biggest threat to feminism is the "Men are From Mars..." style soft biological essentialism (which has been severely permeating the popular consciousness for over a decade now) then you haven't been keeping your eyes open for the past ten years.Jameshttp://scriboergosum.org.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-88033878370007995292009-06-21T02:44:50.709+01:002009-06-21T02:44:50.709+01:00Oh, and James, the example you give of a stronger ...<i>Oh, and James, the example you give of a stronger person's kind choice to help a less strong person is not an example of "privilege", because it is not automatically conferred by one's gender, and because there is a good practical reason for it anyway. It must be balanced, you see, against the "privilege" that men have (on average) relative to females in terms of physical strength.<br /><br />Quibbling about a convention surrounding what counts as good manners (and is therefore optional) doesn't really speak to the issue here, does it?</i><br /><br />I think that your spine-contorting efforts to demonstrate that an advantage is not a privilege actually does say quite a lot. Women <i>are</i> privileged.Jameshttp://scriboergosum.org.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-16796913650092354132009-06-20T15:37:56.613+01:002009-06-20T15:37:56.613+01:00I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't so b...I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't so busy feeling so sorry for yourself.Michael Moorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-72760651185860382722009-06-17T00:37:18.689+01:002009-06-17T00:37:18.689+01:00Mr Divine: So could he.Mr Divine: So could he.Dandelionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12302932867084357713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-88240287161172899112009-06-16T18:36:06.273+01:002009-06-16T18:36:06.273+01:00Actually, I'm still economically & geograp...Actually, I'm still economically & geographically in the same situation I was born into. Yes, I've broadened my horizons mentally (in a way), but I haven't actually come anywhere near earning the average wage, let alone a high income.<br /><br />You seem to have me confused with a right-whinger, which I certainly am not.<br /><br />PS- I can't log in or owt because this computer is all over the place.asquithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-32702040680040193512009-06-16T12:28:40.612+01:002009-06-16T12:28:40.612+01:00She could have just married into it.She could have just married into it.Mr. Divinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-43984268190993884292009-06-16T11:32:26.978+01:002009-06-16T11:32:26.978+01:00Something for asquith, copied and pasted from a co...Something for asquith, copied and pasted from a comment by rahaeli on LJ:<br /><br />The lack of [class privilege] is often the #1 reason for white, straight, cisgendered men to deny the existance of any of the privileges they possess: the most vehement denier of privilege is the white, straight, cismale who was born lower-class or underclass, who has raised himself to lower-middle or middle class through his own efforts, and who will loudly yell at every opportunity that his white-straight-cismale privilege didn't get him anything and he worked like a dog for everything he's ever gotten, so clearly the whole theory is bunk.<br /><br />To which one points out: okay, now imagine that the person born into your exact same situation is a black transwoman lesbian, and imagine how much harder her struggle to get to the exact same place would have been...<br /><br />Intersectionality is a bitch.anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02286586307029475845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-66415985897351777562009-06-15T23:40:26.275+01:002009-06-15T23:40:26.275+01:00Exactly, it wasn't my fault .. some anonymous ...Exactly, it wasn't my fault .. some anonymous bastard did it.Mr, Divinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-91823010744250163922009-06-15T21:51:59.079+01:002009-06-15T21:51:59.079+01:00anyone can find an excuse for failureanyone can find an excuse for failureAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-28436806097720394172009-06-15T17:45:07.701+01:002009-06-15T17:45:07.701+01:00Oh, and James, the example you give of a stronger ...Oh, and James, the example you give of a stronger person's kind choice to help a less strong person is not an example of "privilege", because it is not <i>automatically</i> conferred by one's gender, and because there is a good practical reason for it anyway. It must be balanced, you see, against the "privilege" that men have (on average) relative to females in terms of physical strength.<br /><br />Quibbling about a convention surrounding what counts as good manners (and is therefore optional) doesn't really speak to the issue here, does it?Dandelionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12302932867084357713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-14287101471473437982009-06-15T17:37:26.057+01:002009-06-15T17:37:26.057+01:00Actually, Rob, I don't think you do have to pr...Actually, Rob, I don't think you <i>do</i> have to propose a means of equalising <i>all</i> privilege in order to make the argument that race or gender should not confer privilege in either direction.<br /><br />You cannot equalise the privilege conferred by being born intelligent (or not), or by having good parenting (or not), for example, so why are you demanding it of feminists?<br /><br />In addition, the psycho-social impact of being poor (or not) is to a large extent necessarily entailed by it, whereas discrimination and prejudice against people from one group or another are done by choice. Which is what is being objected to here. Unless you think there is something about being white, or male that inherently gives a person more merit?<br /><br />Let's be sensible, eh?Dandelionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12302932867084357713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-2224614480962543022009-06-15T16:43:33.591+01:002009-06-15T16:43:33.591+01:00This is why many people are wary of feminism since...<em>This is why many people are wary of feminism since it often appears to be concerned primarily with one form of privilege only.</em><br /><br />Yep. I'd agree there. There are other forms of activism which are also very worthwhile. What's that got to do with feminism, by the way?anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02286586307029475845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-40476376700049484622009-06-15T16:26:26.967+01:002009-06-15T16:26:26.967+01:00I think that the reason for some white mens' a...I think that the reason for some white mens' annoyance at being called 'privileged' is that this does not necessarily take into consideration the multidimensionality of privilege. On an all-of-human-history scale, we're probably all privileged to be alive in a world that has dentistry and central heating. On a contemporary scale, is being a white male a bigger privilege than being middle class? Is being white in Knowsley a bigger privilege than being Asian in Cheshire?<br /><br />Privilege is relative. Yes, there is a sense in which an ethnic majority male is privileged over an ethnic minority female <em>all other factors being identical</em>, and that fact justifies a range of laws, government policies and social responses. But there are plenty of cases when all other factors are <em>not</em> equal, and if we carry on disadvantaging white males in <em>those</em> circumstances, then we're being unfair.<br /><br />Obviously, it's still true to say that the white male is privileged. I'm just not sure that it means anything useful.<br /><br /><em>We aren’t the problem here. We took nothing from you – well, actually, we took one thing, and one thing only, and we're still in the process of taking it: the right of people who are white, or male, or rich, or straight, in any combination, to gain preferment over and to expect to enjoy a better and safer life than people who are not.</em><br /><br />I wonder, though, based on a closer reading of this, if your problem here isn't communication. You slipped the word 'rich' into your list of privileges, but you don't mention it anywhere else in the post, and the original post you linked to doesn't mention it at all.<br /><br />Let us assume that there is an ideal level of privilege - zero. Let us further assume that there are some people who have positive privilege, and those who have 'negative privilege' or a privilege deficit of some kind. Being born extremely poor is a negative, being white is a positive, being male is a positive, and so forth. Let us therefore imagine a white male who was born extremely poor, such that his privilege level is zero - a perfect balance. Take away his white male privilege and suddenly he's suffering from negative privilege. For him, at least, it's a socially regressive move and you can't blame him for being upset at that. In terms of the allocation of privilege, we could say that this is not <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_optimality" rel="nofollow">Pareto optimal</a>.<br /><br />I know that you understand this, but you've utterly failed to explain it and instead have given every impression that you'd be perfectly happy for the above scenario to occur. Rowenna Davis doesn't even appear to have acknowledged that it exists at all. People aren't stupid and they <em>will</em> spot these things for themselves, which unfortunately means that for you to win the argument you will have to propose some means of equalising <em>all</em> privilege, without at all being selective about the ones you target first. This is why many people are wary of feminism since it often appears to be concerned primarily with one form of privilege only.Robnoreply@blogger.com