tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post8614651125515152070..comments2024-03-28T09:13:28.093+00:00Comments on Penny Red: Orwell, Abbott and abortion rightsPenny Redhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07677315565893516941noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-20567746505056085782013-05-18T00:49:24.407+01:002013-05-18T00:49:24.407+01:00very blog
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Labour have waived the six-month clause...@Scarface<br /><br />Labour have waived the six-month clause for this leadership election. <br /><br />FAIL FAIL<br /><br />That said, individual members collectively only have 1/3 of the voting power, and candidates effectively need pre-approval from the Parliamentary Party even to be entered to general membership vote. Voting for Dianne Abbot will make bugger-all difference, even on the off-chance she actually ends up on the ballot.FrFintonStacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-62196512253801460452010-05-24T14:48:24.237+01:002010-05-24T14:48:24.237+01:00I don't know whether DA could lead the Labour ...I don't know whether DA could lead the Labour Party to electoral victory, but I'm sure she could lead to being a party worth electing. <br />Another good thing about her, as some Northern git whines about in today's Guardian letters, is that she's a Londoner. WE've had to many governments that act like an occupying enemy.John of Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-65437600014032027252010-05-24T04:54:07.578+01:002010-05-24T04:54:07.578+01:00Scarface:
Labour are waiving the six-month clause...Scarface:<br /><br />Labour are waiving the six-month clause for this election.<br /><br />FAIL FAILFrFintonStacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-41730907171311418092010-05-24T00:01:56.178+01:002010-05-24T00:01:56.178+01:00The education "scandal" really annoys me...The education "scandal" really annoys me. As I've seen elsewhere you'd be a really crap parent to sacrifice your child's welfare for your principals. She's a single parent, working a demanding job and she felt that if her son went to a Hackney school he would have suffered in some serious way. So she decided to send him to a fee-paying school and she *herself* called her decision "indefensible" and "incoherent". But she stuck by it.<br /><br />So combining that with her stance on the war and her amazing speech about 42 days detention (look it up on youTube if you haven't seen it - it's amazing), she would definitely have my vote if I were Labour.<br /><br />In fact if she does become leader, there would be a very good chance that I would start voting Labour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-85090256440193012982010-05-23T06:19:49.108+01:002010-05-23T06:19:49.108+01:00You have to have been a member for six continuous ...You have to have been a member for six continuous months before the ballot in order to vote in it. The ballot is in September - it's May now.<br /><br />FAILScarfacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-20772229496375931102010-05-22T19:18:49.262+01:002010-05-22T19:18:49.262+01:00Laurie,
You will look back at your support for Di...Laurie,<br /><br />You will look back at your support for Dianne Abbott and see how how your heart takes priority over your brain.<br /><br />The woman is a complete bozo. End of story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-21962201400467224082010-05-22T18:37:27.456+01:002010-05-22T18:37:27.456+01:00She's up against the rump of "New Lads&qu...She's up against the rump of "New Lads" from the glory days of Billionaire Blair and Gordon the Great Helmsman. <br />And across the commons sit two middle class, middle brow, MiniMe Tonys vying for the votes of a white English electorate. <br />Winning is a big ask.New Labour Patriarchal Nitwitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-30251428214984763962010-05-22T13:50:58.394+01:002010-05-22T13:50:58.394+01:00Seconding Leon: all the other candidates for leade...Seconding Leon: all the other candidates for leadership have done far more reprehensible things than take a hypocritical education decision for the benefit of their children.<br /><br />That said, even were I a Labour supporter, there's no way I'd consider joining the Labour Party until _after_ they've finished explicitly rejecting New Labour and all it stood for. Which, looking at the other leadership candidates and their odds, seems unlikely to happen.Dennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14307209599176271238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-39663672058677718052010-05-22T01:10:41.527+01:002010-05-22T01:10:41.527+01:00Thank you ,Penny for helping me decide as to whom ...Thank you ,Penny for helping me decide as to whom I will support - Diane Abbot or John McDonnell. After reading you pseudo intellectual and infantile, middle-class tosh in support of Abbot. Sure as fuck it won't be her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-39689465803728659882010-05-21T19:21:33.621+01:002010-05-21T19:21:33.621+01:00Aside from the easy target of education, Dianne vo...Aside from the easy target of education, Dianne voted against the military excursions in Iraq and Afghanistan and also is in favour of civil liberties. <br /><br />Anecdotally, from her television performances she has a warmth that is missing from the other candidates-hopefully she will gather the required support.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-41643670495029530222010-05-21T14:41:50.357+01:002010-05-21T14:41:50.357+01:00Interesting how sending a child a certain school i...Interesting how sending a child a certain school is deemed more outrageous than voting for a war...Leonhttp://twitter.com/leongreennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-68572746444188662282010-05-21T12:11:28.625+01:002010-05-21T12:11:28.625+01:00Good news that Abbott's entered the race. She ...Good news that Abbott's entered the race. She has plenty of flaws but she's a clever questioning voice. <br /><br />If she gets on the ballot she'll make a potentially tedious race much more interesting. <br /><br />This depends on some MPs having enough imagination and bottle to nominate her, which involves thinking beyond their own career prospects. <br /><br />Fingers-crossed.David Floydhttp://www.chartist.org.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-19126080471473415822010-05-21T11:36:33.796+01:002010-05-21T11:36:33.796+01:00"Diane for King"
That would be a bit of..."Diane for King"<br /><br />That would be a bit of a step down. She is already known in the East End as "The Empress of Hackney"<br /><br />captain swing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-21605143103324967422010-05-21T10:41:12.926+01:002010-05-21T10:41:12.926+01:00Related to your CIF article. I'm not sure it&...Related to your CIF article. I'm not sure it's a simple dichotomy between pro life/ pro choice. I am personally uncomfortable with abortion and would not have one myself. However I do respect the right of other women to make what can't be an easy choice. What is essential is more reasoned and nuanced debate with a good deal more compassion on both sides. It needs to be firmly established when a foetus becomes capable of feeling pain. Any such procedure carried out on a being capable of feeling pain should be undertaken only in extreme circumstances and certainly with pain relief. I am saddened that we cannot have a situation where the normal time limit for abortion is reduced and where procedures are in place for everyone who needs one to have the procedure well before this time limit and for all women to have access to information and advice. There will always be exceptional cases but in an ideal world these would be judged on a case by case basis. Hides behind computer and prepares to be lambasted. Sticking head further over parapet I am a christian but I live in the real world and compassion and seeking to understand is always a better way than judging and condemnation.claranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-21203611727879892602010-05-21T07:26:20.668+01:002010-05-21T07:26:20.668+01:00At least you made the short list. I've read W...At least you made the short list. I've read Winston Smith, the winner, and I really like his writing because it is 'real'.Mr. Divinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07052431203238859217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-79146769178509095372010-05-21T07:16:51.720+01:002010-05-21T07:16:51.720+01:00Diane Abbott also disapproves of private education...Diane Abbott also disapproves of private education and has tried to make moves against it politically, e.g., removing charitable status from public schools etc., ceaselessly throughout her career. Yet when it came to educating her own son what did she do? Sent him to a private fee paying school the cost of which she paid for herself out of her publicly funded MPs salary! <br /><br />Dishonourable, hypocritical and laughable.<br /><br />As you intimate, Penny, Ms. Abbott has all the qualities necessary to be a perfect Labour leader.Pooh Bear (but not naked)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-59624466907883108162010-05-21T02:11:42.573+01:002010-05-21T02:11:42.573+01:00Is it not the case that you have to have been a me...Is it not the case that you have to have been a member for 6 continuous months in order to be able to vote?<br /><br />I for one am glad I didn't get around to stopping my membership (though not for lack of disgust). I think she may well be the best candidate, I reckon she's got my vote.Dandelionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-28151880965562739662010-05-20T23:56:59.775+01:002010-05-20T23:56:59.775+01:00I like Diane Abbott, despite her signing that stup...I like Diane Abbott, despite her signing that stupid pro-homeopathy early day motion and her total failure to give me a job once. <br /><br />I hope she gets the 33 votes because it'll be good for the leadership race. Not because she's a woman and she's black but because the contest should involve debate and for that we need a range of opinions to be aired. <br /><br />That said I think she'd be a terrible choice as leader.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07488606547700008840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-49490534290245940582010-05-20T23:48:24.621+01:002010-05-20T23:48:24.621+01:00Can you honestly see her leading Labour to victory...Can you honestly see her leading Labour to victory?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-71563031053716185622010-05-20T23:44:03.809+01:002010-05-20T23:44:03.809+01:00She's certainly one of my favourite Labour MPs...She's certainly one of my favourite Labour MPs. I wish there were far more like her, the late Mo Mowlam or late Gwyneth Dunwoody (a political giant, make no mistake). She's principled, effective, wonderful on the Itchy and Scratchy show and, not to put too fine a point on it, beautiful.<br /><br />One thing though. I worked in Islington for the Lib Dems during the campaign, and however much I respect people like her or Jeremy Corbyn, heard that they share a major tendency of being 'celebrity MPs'. Because of their reputations, and because there's no chance of them losing their seats, both arguably focus too much on international affairs when they should really be thinking about their constituents; and anecdotally, I was told that at a campaign hustings, Abbott only turned up with ten minutes left! Which doesn't say a lot for our electoral system.<br /><br />These are small criticisms though. What the Lib Dems have done undoubtedly provides a clear opportunity for Labour to move demonstrably leftwards; and while Abbott clearly won't win, if she does well, it could provide the impetus for the next leader to take the party in a very different direction.Shaunnoreply@blogger.com