tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post2599687224902998020..comments2024-03-29T05:46:39.542+00:00Comments on Penny Red: Victorian philanthropy and government hypocrisy.Penny Redhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07677315565893516941noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-83339741578051868472019-12-15T09:38:57.258+00:002019-12-15T09:38:57.258+00:00I wrote about government influence in abortion ess...I wrote about government influence in abortion essay. On <a href="https://buyessays.info/blog/abortion-essay-writing-guide" rel="nofollow">https://buyessays.info/blog/abortion-essay-writing-guide</a> you can find useful source if you need to write such essayRichard Majecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00744139132776752086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-73962755349887412132008-11-09T18:28:00.000+00:002008-11-09T18:28:00.000+00:00"Most jobs don't ask you to give your intimate sel..."Most jobs don't ask you to give your intimate self - being paid to, say, eat, urinate, defecate, or to give of your deepest and most private thoughts and feelings? Doesn't happen."<BR/><BR/>Bollocks. I'm paid to think! My agent pimps out my very mind, my core rational facilities just for money.<BR/><BR/>Some people are paid to emote for money on stage (musicians for example) while thousands ogle them.<BR/><BR/>Others are paid to use their legs and arms and the very sweat from their brow!!!!!<BR/><BR/>Some people even have to clean up shit and piss and blood from people who are dying. Still others are bored to tears in mind numbing jobs in call centers JUST TO PAY BILLS!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-32055971336996006362008-11-01T17:14:00.000+00:002008-11-01T17:14:00.000+00:00And so-called feminists really ought to think twic...And so-called feminists really ought to think twice when conservative men agree with them.butterflywingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16873407072604417252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-53389392779948518572008-11-01T17:13:00.000+00:002008-11-01T17:13:00.000+00:00"I mean, let's face it, unions exist beca..."I mean, let's face it, unions exist because most people's jobs are dangerous, gruelling, and unprofitable, and because they don't have a choice whether to have those jobs or not. I was going to say that the main difference is the involvement of a woman's body, but that's not true - it's not like women working in factories or fields leave their bodies at home, and their bodies aren't affected by the labour. So the main difference is the involvement of a big leaky dick, really."<BR/><BR/>This is rubbish.<BR/>Yes, most people *do* choose their jobs, even if they have few or no qualifications, even cleaners, manual labourers, factory workers, shop workers, chose that work over other equally unskilled jobs.<BR/>Most people's jobs are *not* dangerous and gruelling. I assume you have no knowledge of something called Health & Safety legislation?<BR/>There is a difference between manual work using one's body, and sex work. You do know that most customers - maybe not all, but most - think that if they've 'bought' a woman that entitles them to do whatever they like to her? Employers can't do that. They can't say 'you signed a contract to work in this factory making *whatever* so if I say you have to work 12 hour shifts, and beat you if you don't meet unrealistic targets'...illegal (sadly not in all of the world, but illegal).<BR/><BR/>I'm sure you'll say 'yes, but that's why sex work should be regulated like any other work'.<BR/>No. Will not work. Sex work is NOT a job like any other.<BR/>Most jobs don't ask you to give your intimate self - being paid to, say, eat, urinate, defecate, or to give of your deepest and most private thoughts and feelings? Doesn't happen. <BR/><BR/>Yes, some jobs use a lot of emotional and mental energy (arts, academia and so on) but that is not what employees are paid for, they're paid for the result, the work done. You don't have to feel a particular emotion or have thoughts on demand.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying 'sex is sacred' but it is personal, private. It's not something in the public sphere, like most work is.<BR/><BR/>For that reason, how would you even regulate it? How, actually, can you physically regulate sex work to ensure that the customer treats the sex worker with respect, doesn't force or coerce them into acts they don't want and haven't agreed? It would be impossible to prove, unless you had CCTV in every room where sex work took place. And that would clearly be a gross violation.<BR/>It simply isn't possible to regulate sex work like most work, so that the chances of harm are minimised.<BR/><BR/>Again, sex workers can already report it to the police if a customer rapes or assaults them. That simple point is missed over and over again by the pro-pornstitution lobby.butterflywingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16873407072604417252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-36553074426662886282008-11-01T16:58:00.000+00:002008-11-01T16:58:00.000+00:00Let me explain this. very. simply.The. Swedish. mo...Let me explain this. very. simply.<BR/><BR/>The. Swedish. model. does. not. criminalise. sex. workers.<BR/><BR/>Nor is prostitution an offence now. Soliciting is, running a brothel is, and so on, but having sex for money - not illegal.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, most of the police have moved on from victorian values and would take a crime against a sex worker seriously.<BR/><BR/>No-one's saying sex workers don't need or deserve rights and protection.<BR/>Sex workers HAVE rights and protection. They would STILL have that if BUYING, not SELLING, sex was illegal.<BR/><BR/>All legalisation would do is lend legitimacy and respectability to the sex trade. Women could be refused Jobseekers' Allowance if they refuse to do sex work. <BR/><BR/>Let's be clear, I'm not judging women for entering the sex trade, especially if they effectively have little choice. I'm saying it's not the glamorous world bloody Belle du Jour make it seem like. It's fucking vile and exploitative and abusive, and NO amount of regulation will control that. It would only make it harder to prosecute traffickers, pimps, and men who rape and assault prostitutes.<BR/><BR/>We need to concentrate on teaching the men who think they have a right to buy the use of women's bodies that this is unacceptable. That is deeply damaging, and for one, I don't want to be a woman in a world where men think all women are available.<BR/><BR/>I mean, whether you would ideally like to see sex work eradicated at some point in the future, or not, it's pretty obvious that the legislation is the best possible compromise. Women who really do want to be in sex work can - once again, it won't be illegal. Their customers will be the ones doing something illegal. How much safer will they be if they're able to report an abusive customer to the police? <BR/>Those who don't want to be in sex work would be offered help to get out, such as training for (real) work. <BR/>What's to disagree with, if you really claim to be a feminist?butterflywingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16873407072604417252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-54027887293868148602008-10-31T19:26:00.000+00:002008-10-31T19:26:00.000+00:00Obnoxio - Yeah, HPV causes cancer, and you can get...Obnoxio - Yeah, HPV causes cancer, and you can get HPV from sex, but it's the virus, not the act of sex itself that causes the cancer ;)Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111439525929028131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-41172129643216215512008-10-27T20:46:00.000+00:002008-10-27T20:46:00.000+00:00Damn you Obnoxio, you got there first!Well, there'...Damn you Obnoxio, you got there first!<BR/><BR/>Well, there's a first for me too - agreeing with a 'radical' lefty feminist... <BR/><BR/>As we all know, prohibition doesn't work. That applies whether it's drink, drugs, prostitution or, sadly, socialist numbskulls from Scotland becoming Prime Minister... <BR/><BR/>And the lesson is: don't vote for them and they can't impose their nonsense on the rest of us...Bishop Brennanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05033876184247815366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-1480508099412767772008-10-26T16:11:00.000+00:002008-10-26T16:11:00.000+00:00Last time I checked, nobody got cancer from sex.La...<I>Last time I checked, nobody got cancer from sex.</I><BR/><BR/>Lawdy, lawdy. Click <A HREF="http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Vaccines/HPV" REL="nofollow">here</A> for enlightenment.Obnoxio The Clownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12012089552153702526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-55041235584674426412008-10-26T00:58:00.000+01:002008-10-26T00:58:00.000+01:00I find it bizarre that something like alcohol or c...I find it bizarre that something like alcohol or cigarettes (which are proven to have ill effects) can be legal and institutionalized while paying for sex is criminalized. Last time I checked, nobody got cancer from sex.<BR/><BR/>Besides, we're talking infringing on personal freedoms here. I say legalize prostitution, make hooker strip malls, etc. It'd work so much better that way.Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111439525929028131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-84963326090032050242008-10-23T16:43:00.000+01:002008-10-23T16:43:00.000+01:00Great post - even assuming that sex work and prost...Great post - even assuming that sex work and prostitution need to be eradicated one day (which isn't my position), the fact is that they exist right now, therefore protection and rights exist right now. I don't get it - I can't think of another job in the world where it's up for debate whether the workers should have any rights or protection, just because the job itself is useless or harmful. <BR/><BR/>I mean, people mining diamonds for DeBeers so that rich women can wear pretty stones - a useless, harmful, dangerous job, yet no one would argue that those workers don't need protection and rights. Construction workers building luxury hotels in Dubai - again, same thing. But prostitutes - <I>radical feminists</I> will come out and argue against protection and rights. <BR/><BR/>I guess there's the concern that this would legitimise it as a profession and put the majority of sex workers in the position where they're told, hey, it was your choice, deal with it. I guess that's a legitimate concern, I can see how total legalisation and liberalisation would do that, but I don't see how unionisation and regularisation would. <BR/><BR/>I mean, let's face it, unions exist because most people's jobs are dangerous, gruelling, and unprofitable, and because they don't have a choice whether to have those jobs or not. I was going to say that the main difference is the involvement of a woman's body, but that's not true - it's not like women working in factories or fields leave their bodies at home, and their bodies aren't affected by the labour. So the main difference is the involvement of a big leaky dick, really. <BR/><BR/>Maybe it's insensitive of me, I don't know, but I don't really see what the difference is whether the cause of harm is pesticides, fumes, or a huge throbbing man-truncheon.Jennifer Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03150634816392511433noreply@blogger.com