tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post9200380375241806558..comments2024-03-29T05:46:39.542+00:00Comments on Penny Red: Shut up, little girl, don't you know grown-ups are talking?Penny Redhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07677315565893516941noreply@blogger.comBlogger115125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-13737915319124764862021-07-21T11:26:52.299+01:002021-07-21T11:26:52.299+01:00air jordan
supreme hoodie
yeezy
off white shoes
jo...<a href="http://www.jordan1shoes.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>air jordan</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.supremes-clothing.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>supreme hoodie</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.yeezy-sneakers.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>yeezy</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.offwhite.us.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>off white shoes</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.jordanshoes.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>jordan shoes</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.kyrie5.org" rel="nofollow"><strong>kyrie 5</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.supplyyeezys.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>yeezy supply</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.yeezy350boost.us.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>yeezy</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.yeezy-shoes.us.org" rel="nofollow"><strong>yeezy shoes</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.off--white.us.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>off white hoodie</strong></a><br />yanmaneeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15229165146687805497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-4791097707678018512016-12-02T16:55:41.108+00:002016-12-02T16:55:41.108+00:00Yawn.....Yawn.....Digamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06284061323424739189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-82023205048302228262013-07-12T20:49:20.150+01:002013-07-12T20:49:20.150+01:00Global Türkey Sohbets : sohbet & sohbet odalar...Global Türkey Sohbets : <a href="http://www.agirsohbet.com" rel="nofollow">sohbet</a> & <a href="http://www.agirsohbet.com" rel="nofollow">sohbet odaları</a> & <a href="http://www.dinichat.com" rel="nofollow">dini sohbet</a> & <a href="http://www.dinichat.com" rel="nofollow">dini chat</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17602389412661617707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-55340883008235475672013-04-05T18:22:26.369+01:002013-04-05T18:22:26.369+01:00My name's Rachael. I was directed here via Hel...My name's Rachael. I was directed here via Helen Lewis. Supremely glad she did so. I was raising the point to her about the lack of representation (in my mind) of females with mental health issues among feminist panels, such as the one which took place yesterday with the NS. I don't just mean the obvious mental / physical fallout- as someone who has survived anorexia, I'm sure you're aware of these already, and believe me I'm going through them myself - I mean the impinging social setbacks. The loss of friends. The gaping hole in the CV / benefits claims, which to a potential employer looks suspiciously like laziness. Oh and of course - as someone forced into a "menial" job (I work as a cleaner), the perception of my lacking any ambition. Just because I'm a skiv. <br /><br />As an egalitarian, I find the latter to be particular bullshit. I was raised to believe every job undertaken is a purposeful one, and though I didn't set out in life to be a cleaner, I still find time at the end of the day - when I've settled my raging exercise-OCD demons by thrashing my guts out with a hoover, and the gym - to sit down and write.<br /><br />So not quite ambition-less. But still feeling unrepresented. I'm one of the lucky ones, as are you - there are still plenty more women, sitting in those inpatient units with no voice other than their respective illness. This is where I'd like to hear more vigorous, stronger voices - such as yourself, Helen Lewis, maybe even myself now that I don't feel quite so passive-aggressive - walking among them. Speaking for them, reaching out with their hands, telling the world how they feel, how they very much want to get back into the world but don't know how. And also, those on the outside but faced with those much wider walls of the world, than what they were consigned to for months. I'm sure you remember how very daunting it is, to be on the other side of a locked door. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-5527454450289127462011-06-27T19:14:15.612+01:002011-06-27T19:14:15.612+01:00Albeit, I'm a year late, but it shouldn't ...Albeit, I'm a year late, but it shouldn't really matter all that much. <br /><br />Laurie, know this: You inspire me at least as much as each and every one of the other top (Marxist) socialists of our time ("Marxist" meaning not simply "Social Democrat"). Whether you share the same political beliefs as me or not, in my eyes, doesn't matter - for the simple fact that every word that comes out of your mouth is well-spoken, every piece of text well-written and, most vitally, you speak up for those who cannot.<br /><br />Keep doing what you're best at - Political Journalism - and always remember the perks of looking and being young (and, to a lesser extent, short): You can always dupe the bus service into thinking you're a minor! ;D Heck, I know a friend who does so and she's in her Thirties.<br /><br />Keep your head up, Laurie; I'm rooting for you. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-63632311248884713002009-11-19T17:07:37.926+00:002009-11-19T17:07:37.926+00:00Hi
This was the thought that occurred to me (goin...Hi<br />This was the thought that occurred to me (going back to the issue of your privilege, which you're very 'cards on the table' about) - as an actual or perceived benificiary of an unequal system, are you supposed to simply keep quiet, be happy about your luck and have no interest in working at making it more equal? <br />That's the implication of the attacks on your background - nice. I remember fondly those school assemblies where I learned to be glad that the kid getting the shit kicked out of them wasn't me...<br />Take careSas Paynenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-26253631661875780282009-11-19T16:39:40.542+00:002009-11-19T16:39:40.542+00:00So white, middle class, wealthy, top university-ed...So white, middle class, wealthy, top university-educated lawyer-with-posh-as-fuck-voice Marcus holds another up to ridicule for not being a horny-handed daughter of toil. You couldn't make it up -- that's what HP is for.LBUhttp://www.google.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-31433081347215017402009-11-18T11:44:14.357+00:002009-11-18T11:44:14.357+00:00Just ignore them, and keep fighting! I know its h...Just ignore them, and keep fighting! I know its horrible to go through, but at least they think you're worth attacking. With any luck you'll open a few peoples eyes in the process!Christopher Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-67695786622895798682009-11-18T11:09:04.837+00:002009-11-18T11:09:04.837+00:00Zak:
Why have 3 comment when 1 will do? You are q...Zak:<br /><br />Why have 3 comment when 1 will do? You are quite the shield bearer for HP aren't you although the point has now been reduced so much to be pointless.<br /><br />Oh bit of a fact check, I didn't introduce owt to do with buggering, I did introduce the flag pole you're on which is not a euphemism for cock believe it or not.<br /><br />And I'm glad you STILL think that it is ridiculous but it doesn't make it true to the rest of us.<br /><br />And there is nothing incongruous about it, you seem to be willing to stretch any idea to grotesque lengths in order to justify your virtual fanboy approach to HP, breaking the ideas down into tiny, tedious parcels because the large scale concept has already been proved false but you cling on here.<br /><br />And I think you need to stop putting word's in Penny's mouth, you are now building strawmen in this pathetic rearguard action.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-74224196575044526322009-11-18T11:08:49.801+00:002009-11-18T11:08:49.801+00:00Aaaaaggghhh!!! Shut it down Laurie, MAKE THE CRAZI...Aaaaaggghhh!!! Shut it down Laurie, MAKE THE CRAZIES STOP!!!<br />I know I should look away, just like with CIF threads, I.. just... can't... do it...Mhairignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-53605428180551215382009-11-18T10:54:42.321+00:002009-11-18T10:54:42.321+00:00zkharya: It is not worse to call someone racist th...zkharya: It is not worse to call someone racist than to call someone a silly cow. Calling someone racist is a charge which is a matter for evidence - it can be false, but it can also be true. But calling someone a "silly cow" is sexist, and sexism is always unacceptable. Your statement is like saying that it's worse to call someone a racist than it is to call someone the n-word or p-word.TNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-73285144992198444062009-11-18T10:41:57.772+00:002009-11-18T10:41:57.772+00:00PS Judy's evaluation of HP, above, also chimes...PS Judy's evaluation of HP, above, also chimes 100% with my own sentiments.Marko Attila Hoarehttp://greatersurbiton.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-27237499057439572262009-11-18T10:39:42.669+00:002009-11-18T10:39:42.669+00:00'you condone bigotry by allowing hateful, miog...'you condone bigotry by allowing hateful, miogynist, racist, Islamophobic comments to be published on your site, and allowing bigoted, ignorant trolls to control the debate. I don't apologise for that assessment: it's you that needs to step up and look at what your site has become.'<br /><br />This assessment is 100% accurate. I've written guest posts for HP and I generally share its political outlook, but I couldn't agree with you more. I'm very sorry, because I like the HP bloggers personally, but for the reasons you describe, HP is increasingly becoming an embarrassment to the political tendency it represents.<br /><br />Having read the thread in question, I'd like to congratulate you on having so successfully pushed so many sexist, ageist and classist buttons in so many people. When you get that kind of response, you can feel sure you're doing something right, and I hope you'll keep up the good work.Marko Attila Hoarehttp://greatersurbiton.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-56581128432588653232009-11-17T21:25:49.320+00:002009-11-17T21:25:49.320+00:00Harry's Place is pretty dreadful. Laurie must ...Harry's Place is pretty dreadful. Laurie must be getting something right if they have to resort to insults in this way.Chris Baldwinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-23617778959712789602009-11-17T20:19:42.559+00:002009-11-17T20:19:42.559+00:00People that go on about ‘privilege’ as a substitut...People that go on about ‘privilege’ as a substitute for a reasoned argument against what has been written really anger me. Would they dare turn round and state that someone’s position is invalid because they’re from an economically deprived background?<br /><br />People like that tend to forget that any benefits we enjoy are generally built on the successes of preceding generations. So, like you I know I am tremendously lucky in life and had a great start but I could only be considered ‘middle class’ due to my parents’ successes which in turn depended on those of their parents and even further back than that. Those weren’t simply personal ones but the political ones that saw greater access to education and economic support.<br /><br />I seem to recall that Marx’ “Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon” goes into some detail about one’s Class being not simply a matter of birth but with the interests of the Class whose interests one identifies with and strives for. Marx and Engels are cases in point! <br /><br />Sorry to hear you’ve been subjected to knee-jerk ageist, sexism and plain unpleasantness but glad to see you’re not going to be silenced by it.<br /><br />As for wanting to help reunify the Left let me know what I can do to help! I know how difficult it can feel and it’s sadly nothing new… as one person I know only half tongue-in-cheek put it “What kept the CP in Britain together back then was that the Euros and the Tankies were totally united in their greater hatred of the Trots.” <br /><br />(btw, found this thread via some enraged Tooting-types - in particular a certain Leicester Tigers-loving 'fellow privileged Oxbridge type’ of our mutual acquaintance.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-33355900099500355482009-11-17T19:32:12.161+00:002009-11-17T19:32:12.161+00:00"its insistence on denying and debasing any a..."its insistence on denying and debasing any alternate views"<br /><br />Well, if by "debase" you mean vigorous disagreement, sure. But "deny" is rubbish.zachary estersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16954262967214684655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-11790626236426251652009-11-17T19:30:03.552+00:002009-11-17T19:30:03.552+00:00"And secondly, I never accused anyone here of..."And secondly, I never accused anyone here of being a racist - since when was Islam a race?"<br /><br />Not only did essentialise HP as racist, you essentialised it as responsible for a racist flame war.zachary estersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16954262967214684655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-32511293113235643682009-11-17T19:25:49.701+00:002009-11-17T19:25:49.701+00:00Also, I still think Penny's characterising HP ...Also, I still think Penny's characterising HP as the flaming death's head chief to blame for racism on even Islamic website was ridiculous.<br /><br />And, I think, there is something incongruous about the freedom with which she did that, and the offence she took at one commenter on a thread calling her a "silly cow" (as one lady commenter said, "it’s worse to call someone a racist than to call someone a silly cow"), which I think was Brownie's point, albeit dodgily expressed.zachary estersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16954262967214684655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-42833821561451976132009-11-17T19:18:31.661+00:002009-11-17T19:18:31.661+00:00Well, that is an unfortunate corollary of free spe...Well, that is an unfortunate corollary of free speech.<br /><br />"No idea where you've got this buggering idea from either, homophobia perhaps?"<br /><br />You introduced it.zachary estersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16954262967214684655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-42011897883824007202009-11-17T17:20:59.881+00:002009-11-17T17:20:59.881+00:00Good work.
The self-proclaimed 'grown-up'...Good work.<br /><br />The self-proclaimed 'grown-up' politics of Harry's Place is repellent for many reasons, including the bullying that you rightly call into question. A good example of this is simonson's comment here at 15.42.<br /><br /> For me, though, the most repellent aspect is that place's reliance on a geopolitical outlook that would be hackneyed and maybe even evidence of a lively sense of self-ridicule if it weren't the same MO used by the people with the power.<br /><br />Only slightly less repellent is the way its writers dispense the sort of knowing responses to individuals ideas and events they don't approve of that policemen are wont to make when dealing with known 'faces'.<br /><br />The least repellent aspect of Harry's Place — because it's the weakest and most obvious and therefore the most rebuttable — is its insistence on denying and debasing any alternate views, other than the ones it promotes, of Islamism and Israel.<br /><br />There are two really good things about Harry's Place. First, it's a moral ready reckoner for negative (geo)political currents. Second, it fails in its purpose as a propaganda site because the only people reading it are the contributors and their friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-1324719395281286692009-11-17T16:16:09.934+00:002009-11-17T16:16:09.934+00:00Simonsen:
Islamism and Zionism are two sides of t...Simonsen:<br /><br />Islamism and Zionism are two sides of the same coin.<br /><br />Zak:<br /><br />You may not but others do there, without censure. <br /><br />That is the point you seem to have missed.<br /><br />No idea where you've got this buggering idea from either, homophobia perhaps?Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-59508386576797307422009-11-17T15:42:50.771+00:002009-11-17T15:42:50.771+00:00Hi Penny,
You begin stating Harry's Place is a...Hi Penny,<br />You begin stating Harry's Place is an anti-islamist website as if you are in opposition to this position. Are you pro-islamist?<br />simonsonsimonsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-50474146488863080542009-11-17T15:38:51.370+00:002009-11-17T15:38:51.370+00:00Daniel,
I do not justify or defend racism or Isla...Daniel,<br /><br />I do not justify or defend racism or Islamophobia at HP. And just because I comment there does not make me part of it.<br /><br />I've said what I think worthy of defending about HP, and why I find it conducive, inter alia.<br /><br />And stop tring to bugger me with your greasy pole yourself.<br /><br />I'm not keeping you here.zachary estersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16954262967214684655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-47766409695479129592009-11-17T15:04:25.806+00:002009-11-17T15:04:25.806+00:00Just read the recent post over at HP.
It takes s...Just read the recent post over at HP. <br /><br />It takes something to be the biggest snide at HP, but I think Marcus edges it.Imposs1904https://www.blogger.com/profile/04043116442576404667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343658614010405479.post-84798360952901403552009-11-17T14:52:21.261+00:002009-11-17T14:52:21.261+00:00Zak:
Your argument seems to always fall down to: ...Zak:<br /><br />Your argument seems to always fall down to: WELL THEY DO IT and you are repeating this with me, if you must know I came here from Lib Con and left a message of support, I am now engaged in this pointless tit-for-tat because the idiocy of some of the comments was vexing but I think it really is time, point made and all, dragon slain to go and compose my list of top albums of 2009.<br /><br />HP is of no interest to me but what is of interest is when any website is a source of spiteful slander and smear personal attacks.<br /><br />"I've said what I think ridiculous about Penny's article."<br /><br />Indeed you have, now perhaps you should bugger off, no one is convinced by your approach, it has been debunked, best return to the more friendly pastures of HP.<br /><br />I don't want to post on HP and that should be clear to you from my comments regarding the bloody place.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.com